Onyx Storm Theory: Violet’s second signet is SO dangerous

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Onyx Storm Theory: Violet's second signet is SO dangerous

Violet’s second signet kept us up for months. It manifested in Iron Flame, but we couldn’t figure it out for certain. Rebecca Yarros told us that it was made clear in one single sentence.

The sentence she is referring to, I think, is one of these two: “The only warmth is a quickly cooling trickle along my neck.”

OR

In Xaden’s POV: “Except the sweat dripping down the back of my neck reminds me that this is very much my reality.”

Looking back, it’s obvious that before, it was Violet in his dreams, feeling sweat, whereas Xaden never did until it happened in real life.

So far, nothing feels quite out of the ordinary. In fact, Rebecca Yarros misled us again—she said her second signet was boring. But is it boring?

“But you have been known to wander while dreaming. It’s harmless. You’re mostly drawn to him.”

It might appear so to the untrained eye, but make no mistake. This signet is not only not boring, peaceful, or passive, but very dangerous indeed.

“Her kind are peaceful, and the ability itself would be passive—even a gift in a culture like that.”

Check this out:

“Which is what makes you exceptionally dangerous.” His jaw flexes twice. “I can only read someone while they’re awake, and I’m limited by their ability to shield. No one can shield while they’re sleeping. You could potentially walk straight into Melgren’s own dreams, and he couldn’t stop you. Probably wouldn’t even know.”

I know what you’re thinking. Okay, but it is a rather boring, peaceful, or harmless signet. She enters nightmares, she learns about people’s biggest fears. Their most terrifying nightmares. So what? Okay, let’s assume she now has some “ammunition” against people—something she can use for gain, blackmail, or to protect the ones she loves.

But think about the possibilities. As Xaden said, nobody can shield in their sleep. She can enter everyone’s dreams and learn everything about them. She could enter Brennan’s dreams and learn about Naolin or his attack. She could enter Melgren’s dreams, indeed, and learn state secrets. She could be a step ahead, always. Just like the venin had venin…you know, the one in their dreams (stay with me, I have a point).

Still think it’s a bit meh? Remember that in her Q&A, Rebecca Yarros said we’ve only just seen about 10% of what her signet can do. She also said there is only one single other person alive who could train her. Who? The very Venin from Xaden’s nightmares.

“The Sage pulls back the hood of his maroon robe, revealing the freakishly young face that haunts my—Xaden’s—dreams, […] ‘It’s so nice of you to join us, lightning wielder.’ He tilts his head. ‘Or should I call you dream-walker?’”

How would this Venin know that Violet is a dream-walker? It takes one to know one. 🙂

And now, when we go back to the original nightmares—when the Venin wears maroon robes—it now feels like this Venin is talking specifically to Violet!

“So disappointing,” he lectures, as if he’s my Sage and not the teacher of the dark wielder I killed on Tairn’s back. […]
“Death it is.” He looks so…disappointed as he lowers his hand. […]

It almost feels like he’s already training her. He can most certainly recognize that she is there.

So many questions here. How could someone develop a signet like this? If there is only one other dream-walker alive, does this mean they also bonded an irid before? As far as Violet is concerned, such a signet wouldn’t exist. Based on Rebecca Yarros’ comment, since there is only one other alive who could train her, it also means it is an exceptionally rare signet. And since the irids were so upset, one begs the question: was this “gift” given before to another who turned Venin?

Plus, with exceptionally powerful signets, we know that a lot of the time, they are nature’s answer to create balance. Magic always knows. So naturally, Xaden was once our shadow wielder. He turned dark, so a new shadow wielder manifested. It makes me think that Violet’s signet is an answer to the Venin as well.

“There’s no such thing as dream-walking, and the irids told her that she gave me something more dangerous than lightning. It was one of the reasons they were so angry with her.”
There is such a thing.” Xaden’s voice drops. “It’s absolutely more dangerous than lightning. It’s a form of inntinnsic,” he ends on a whisper.

Not only is her signet a form of inntinnsic—it is absolutely the most dangerous form of inntinnsic. Xaden can read intentions, but he’s limited to shields. Violet? Violet can not only enter dreams but also meddle

“Except I think you meddle because I wanted to channel on that field and found myself raising my hand instead.”

Are you ready for the most crucial yet easily overlooked piece of information—so subtle that you might skim past it without a second thought? I will give it to you. Read the next paragraph over and over:

“He closes his fist, and Xaden wheezes” [Violet wakes, etc., and then…]
“His spine is arched beside me, his head thrown back in pain as he strains for the very air he’s breathing.
‘Wake up!’ I put both my hands on his chest and shove with my body and mind. ‘Xaden! Wake up!’
His eyes flash open, and he falls flat against the mattress as his heart pounds beneath my fingers.”

Oh. The Venin in their nightmare? He actually hurt Xaden. Read it again and again, slowly. In the dream, the Venin strangles Xaden. Violet wakes, and right next to her, Xaden is in pain, straining for the very air he’s breathing.

THAT. That right there. Violet won’t just be able to enter people’s dreams. She will indeed be able to meddle. Hurt them. Kill them even. Now that is terrifying.

On the other hand, we also figured out what she needs to do to break from a dream or nightmare. She needs pain.

“I slide my hand down my hip and find the hilt of a dagger. Before I can second-guess my plan, I wrench it free.
The Sage’s eyes widen on the polished, wooden handle, but I’m already swinging it toward my arm. The blade sinks into my skin—
I jolt upright in bed and gasp for breath
, blinking furiously to clear the haze of the nightmare as dawn breaks outside our bedroom window.”

So many questions. Will she be able to wield lightning while in someone’s dreams? Can she kill without actually being close to people? What are the real limitations of her second signet?

And finally, will Book 4 be all about Violet sharing dreams with Xaden and eventually doing the dirty in the shared dreams? Rebecca Yarros did say that she’d been inspired by Jennifer Lynn Armentrout, who wrote From Blood and Ash where Ash and Poppy share dreams. It feels like this is following a similar line here.

To conclude with a little cheesy line: for now, we can only dream about Book 4 ourselves… before it becomes reality.

Share that Venin and Wyvern are real!


26 responses to “Onyx Storm Theory: Violet’s second signet is SO dangerous”

  1. I agree that Berwyn is a dreamwalker. However, dreamwalking is not where it ends. He influences people in their dreams, manipulates them, and, at its core, it’s mindwalking, mind manipulation, and mind control. Essentially, that’s what Theo told: “Besides the fact that he’s subpar and you’d be chained to him, powerless to resist his orders?” She sneers in disgust, then schools her features. “I’ll let you keep both your dragons while giving you what you want most in the world.” Her gaze drops to the conduit as wind pulses. The others must be here. “Control and knowledge.” … POWERLESS TO RESIST HIS ORDERS. CONTROL

    1. Shudders. Also, have you noticed upon the second read when she states that they are basically extremely powerful?
      I think to defend venin we need the Gods involved.
      “There’re only a few of us who are faster,” Theophanie replies, walking
      along the carcass of the wyvern, grazing the ridges at its back as she
      saunters toward us. “Older, too.”
      My lips part. She heard us from twenty feet away.

    2. In Iron Flame, Violet says a word/phrase to both Dain and Xaden and they repeat it. When Varrish tries to manipulate Dain to read Violet’s memories the first time, he almost does, but then Violet says, “No.” Dain repeats back, “no,” and leaves the room. During the shower scene, Xaden suggests to Violet they go to his room to which she replies, “Now.” He repeats back, “now.” I thought both times were odd, leading me to believe that her 2nd signet would be mind control. I felt debunked by the dream-walking, but now that you’ve pointed this Berywn connection, maybe I wasn’t far off after all! Oh, and I think Violet will ask Cat for help with this signet since Cat is the only other person familiar with mind control. That would be super cool. . . and frightening!

      1. I think Berwyn is the dream-walker. Which will make it very hard for Violet to hone her signet 😛

  2. Hi: Could you site the chapters/page numbers of the passages you quote in your articles? I like to go back and take a look at what happens before and after. Thank you. I love your site.

    1. Thank you so much. I will try my best to do so in the future. It’s usually a lot of work to even find the paragraphs, so by the time I write down the research I forget to write down the chapters and page numbers. 😀 not using it as an excuse, just a bit of a messy researcher.

      1. Understandable. Referencing the chapter would be enough. Thanks for considering.

  3. Dream Assassin + Power Wielder + one of the most powerful dragons of all time and a magic-bending irid + paired with an epic Shadow Wielder + Duchess of Tyrrendor + Not afraid to poison and knife royalty or kill a vice commandant + touched by Dunne + Venin Slayer. Dang. Violet, Duchess of Tyrrendor math is getting crazy. I have a feeling she may be able to paralyze an entire base camp or city of sleeping people so they can all get slaughtered in their sleep. Also cause their worst nightmares to eat them alive and make people irrevocably lose their minds — A LIVING NIGHT TERROR. Plus dream sex sans furniture destruction, yep. She could become the most freakishly powerful person ever to live in their history to date. COOL! She didn’t want to be when her first signet started manifesting and she doesn’t seem to like the whole “leadership involves triaging which fights to go for even if that means sacrificing other people.” Xaden did tell her that the better leaders are the ones that don’t want to be leaders.

    Nice cheesy line.

  4. Hi! I have a theory about Violet’s signet and how she will train it. It is so cool that I wanted to share it with you.
    My understanding is that runes are basically threads of magic knotted together… as are Dream catchers !
    I think someone (either Imogen or Violet herself) will make her a dream catching rune. This would allow her to navigate through the dreams of everybody.
    I also think this will help her communicate with Xaden.
    As of who does it. A rune made with andarna’s magic would be super powerful, but I think Imogen and Violet will get even closer with Quinn dead and all the marked ones she was close to gone. Maybe Violet will march into one of Imogen’s dreams and she’ll help Violet to hear about Garrick well being.

    1. I LOVE this theory so much!!!

  5. I don’t like the idea that Berwyn could be Violets teacher. Why should he do that? I hope that Dain will teach her. He is the only other person with a mental signet near Violet. It would be interesting to learn something about the signets of both of them. Another possibilty is another person. There are a few persons with unknown signets. But it is dangerous to tell someone else about Violets signet. I think only a trustworthy person could teach Violet. Concerncing the communication with Xaden it is an effective signet to talk over long distance. RY has prepared this way in IF and OS, cause Violet already visited Xaden in his dreams some times. Xaden knows about her signet so he can realize Violet in his dreams, too.

    1. Interesting. I love the idea that the only other person is Berwyn. Do you know why? Because he wouldn’t want to teach her and she would have to trick him into doing so.
      I’m very curious where this whole thing is going with her second signet.

  6. I definitely think Berwyn is a dream-walker as well and I can’t shake the feeling that he is the dark balance to Violet. I don’t know, I feel like there is this overwhelming theme of balance in the magic/signets going on through the book, signets are being replaced quickly after someone dies or channels and I always think about the part above Chapter 2:

    “The rarest of signets – those that rise once in a generation or century – have manifested concurrently with an equal twice in our records, both critical times in our history, but only once have the six most powerful walked the Continent simultaneously. As fascinating as that spectacle must have been, I would rather not live to see it happen again.”

    Theo mentioned about tipping the scales etc. and I have feeling that Rebecca is writing about a lot about signets being replaced etc. Liam had farsightedness and I remember it was mentioned that, I think, Kai had developed farsightedness as a signet. Naolin signet was siphoning and whether it is because he died or channelled, Sloane has now been given this signet. Xaden channelled and Lynx was given the signet of shadow wielding. His inntinnsic signet is rare and I am wondering if this is being balanced somehow as well if it is considered separate to what Vi has in dream-walking. I am again kind of wondering if General Melgren is actually venin with Aaric developing true precognition. I just get the feeling that light and darkness are fighting against each other for control and it, of course, is building up to something major. It’s kind of like both sides are trying to arm themselves in any way they can. There might not be anything in this, but I just get this feeling.

    I definitely think that Violet’s signet could be used in so many ways to fight back and definitely in finding and keeping a hold of Xaden.

    1. I read it about a million times, the part of balance: Violence can tip the balance. I think her being on their side would tip the balance forever. That’s why they want her. They don’t want to kill her because she has the power of the sky. By having someone who can wield pure power from the sky, the venin would forever tip the balance. It would make sense, right?

      I think the inntinnsic counter to Xaden is actually Bodhi btw. He said he doesn’t have a second signet. Just like Xaden 🙂 I think that was double meaning there.
      Melgren is 100% venin. I am so certain I know it in my soul. Violet has been foreshadowing this for us in Fourth Wing AND Iron Flame.

  7. I also think this is how she’ll find a cure for the venin, when she’s arguing with Ridoc, she says she’ll find a cure in a ‘book or dark-wielder’s head’ so I think that will be part of finding the cure!!

    1. Hey there! Thank you for sharing all these theories. It really helps with the book hangover ;).
      There are three things I stumbled upon in this dream-walker scene. The first is Violet telling us that she can feel in this dreams. It says “I take his ice-cold hand in mine, than startle. I can feel that.” So she can touch others in her dream.
      And then, when she needs pain to wake up, she has no dagger, but when she reminds herself that she would be armed, if it was her dream, she finds a dagger. So she can summon whatever she needs in the dreams. And last: “the Sage’s eyes widen on the polished, wooden handle…”. I felt like he was scared for a short moment she would go after him. And maybe she could really have hurt him. So maybe this is a way to beat him. Though I’m not sure if there is a special dagger with a wooden handle. What handle does an alloy dagger have?

      1. Hi Julia, you are so welcome here. I think we’re all suffering a little with the hangover.
        I love your interpretation with the dagger. The way I interpreted it is a little different. I think he got “scared” because she’d figure out so fast how to use the signet and he cannot keep her in the nightmares.

        You know, we don’t know the alloy daggers and their handles. We assumed it’s ore of some sort right?

        1. All of Violet’s daggers have runes incorporated into them. Her subconscious chose one of her daggers. What if the Sage was startled not just by the materialization of the dagger but its rune handle. Violet assumed pain allowed her to wake herself (stimulus) but what if the rune dagger protected her from the injury (knife cut) when she woke and hiding her dream walking.

          1. I like this theory a lot!

  8. Xaden KNOWS Berwyn can dreamwalk. He almost confirms when he says, “There is such a thing” after Violet tells him the irids were upset. He might be confirming that he knows Berwyn dream walks without explicitly saying it.

    1. I wonder why is he not saying then? Why is he skirting around it?

      1. There are so many examples about Xaden. He don’t talk enough about so many things in all the books. Violet has to figure out it herself. Another point X and V were disturbed so often during their conversations. Then something happens and they had to handle the situation first.

      2. I think venins aren’t capable of talking about their Sage, just like they can’t kill him. Same with JFB—he’s quite talkative for a bit of power, but when it comes to The Sage, he never answered. At least, that applies to Berwyn. So it’s either a venin ability or he simply has a mind-control signet. Which sucks for Xaden, but on the other hand, it means more power for Vi (his counterpart).

        1. Ugh, that’s a really dark theory. I truly hope it’s not the case and Jack is just not wanting to say things. Having said all that, it worries me that Xaden didn’t tell Violet more about Berwyn…

  9. What if Violet can dream-walk the dead and that’s why we see Liam when she is being tortured? If so – perhaps she can dream-walk and bring back the dead souls, healing venin. That’s definitely something the irids would consider dangerous.

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